Dairy Products

[RobL]

Greetings from Rob
I am a new distance learning student from Savannah Ga. and this is my first time in the community forum and if any one has any tips I would love to hear from you. I am not a computer wiz by a long run.
I have found many interesting articles and would like to share with the group a video that a friend shared with me just days ago. It is by Dr. Walter J Veith (on Dairy)
It is 81 minutes long. It is called Utterly Amazing at
www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9014552245997479572

Fruitfully, Rob

[blujay]

Welcome to the forum!

Thanks for sharing this informative video. It has a lot of good points to consider just how foods can directly affect our health. And to focus on a primarily vegetarian diet for the avoidance of disease.

But I'm concerned with his limited perspective and factual information on the effects of the various types of milk products and their traditional preparations in various cultures. He consistently references the African cultures that are the most lactose intolerant and have largely eliminated it from their diets and show excellent health. But he avoids discussing the Masai who are know to mainly consume large daily quantities of milk products and butter and are in superb health.

He also makes no distinction between the health effects of raw milk versus pasteurized verses boiled verses cultured or conventionally produced and organically produced milk products. All of these forms play a huge difference in the health effects.

I would whole heartedly agree with his whole presentation if he would make the distinction that he is referring to conventionally produced, pasteurized milk products are the cause of so many degenerative disorders. I think that everyone would improve their health to eliminate this form of food.

But I'm equally convinced that milk is the most nourishing and healing food available to humans. Only in its proper form and quantities. I can only recommend that we eat raw  and fully cultured milk from healthy animals that are raised on a traditional diet of grass. This form of milk is healthy because the delicate proteins and fats haven't been damaged by processing, but have been partially digested by probiotic bacteria.

do a search on this forum and other raw milk and traditional diets pages to learn more about this subject.

There is alot of mis-information out there so just keep digging to get to an answer you can live with. This is a good example of why we shouldn't take the advice of any company, agency, or expert, but check out the facts for ourselves. And when in doubt eat the the most whole form of the food that your grandparents ate.

[MargieS]

Yes, Welcome! I love this program. I'm learning so much and it's really opened my eyes to how much advertising plays a role in our lifestyle. And, again, with the mis-information, there is so much of it out there.
margie from New York

[AdrienneC]

Its a misconception that the Masai in Kenya are  in superb health. The following is taken from diseaseproof.com, which is Dr. Joel Fuhrmans blog

The Masai in Kenya eat a diet high in wild hunted meats and have the worst life expectancy in the modern world. Life expectancy is 45 years for women and 42 years for men. African researchers report that, historically, Maasai rarely lived beyond age 60. Adult mortality figures on the Kenyan Maasai show that they have a 50% chance of dying before the age of 59.2

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/diet-myths-do-primitive-peoples-really-live-longer.html

American Journal of Epidemiology Vol. 95, No. 1: 26-37

ATHEROSCLEROSIS IN THE MASAI

GEORGE V. MANN, ANNE SPOERRY, MARGARETE GARY and DEBRA JARASHOW

Mann, G. V. (Vanderbilt Univ. School of Medicine, Nashville, Tenn. 37203), A. Spoerry, M. Gray, and D. Jarashow. Atherosclerosis in the Masai. Am J Epidemiol 95: 26–37, 1972.–

The hearts and aortae of 50 Masai men were collected at autopsy. These pastoral people are exceptionally active and fit and they consume diets of milk and meat. The intake of animal fat exceeds that of American men. Measurements of the aorta showed extensive atherosclerosis with lipid infiltration and fibrous changes but very few complicated lesions. The coronary arteries showed intimal thickening by atherosclerosis which equaled that of old U.S. men. The Masai vessels enlarge with age to more than compensate for this disease. It is speculated that the Masai are protected from their atherosclerosis by physical fitness which causes their coronary vessels to be capacious.

[NaomiS]

This is a topic that greatly interests me.  I was a vegetarian once upon a time, never a vegan and now, I am an omnivore.  Watching this video reminded me of many things I have heard over the years about dairy foods.  I have considered changing my diet to cut  out dairy, but continue to consume meat.  I am blessed to be in CA and have access to raw milk, which is what I currently buy.  I am very interested to see more posts on this topic, esp. ones that post articles and information regarding the health benefits or detriments of dairy, esp. raw dairy.  I was even thinking that it might be best to cut out most dairy, but to continue to buy raw milk and to turn into kefir.  Please share your opinions.  I will continue to check back to see your replies!

[Marlina E]

Definitely do a search on this forum, there has been other discussion about the raw milk/dairy topic before.